Ok I will give you the Foley Flair interaction, that is starting to be good. But seriously thats the only thing Raw has going for it right now.

The I-C match was a good throwaway match wasted on TV, it shouldve been on a PPV.

AWESOME News:

PWInsider is reporting that WWE brass was very impressed with the hammerstein taping and even detractors from the ECW project are admitting that ECW having its own tapings once the 12 week trial run is over might be a good idea.

ECW on SCI-FI Ratings history thus far:

Week 1 (6/13): 2.8
Week 2 (6/20): 2.3
Week 3 (6/27): 2.2
Week 4 (7/04): 1.4
Week 5 (7/11): 2.4
Week 6 (7/18): 2.2
Week 7 (7/25): 2.4
Week 8 (8/01): 2.4

I hope when RVD returns they hype it and the rating goes above 2.4

I honestly hope it breaks 3.0 one day consider Raw only pulls in 3.4-ish ratings these days

So considering ECW is only 1 hour and averages only one rating point below Raws that isnt too bad.

Brent

You know whats freaky Brent is we think alike ;)

I was JUST telling my friend during Tuesdays show that I would LOVE to see all this just be an angle where the real ECW emerges, basically crap it down and make all the fans angry so when it comes back they love it 2x as much

Its a balsy gamble but it just could pay off because I can imagine the talent pool WWE has mixed with a crowd like the Hammerstein Ballroom and then $$$$ funding Paul E. He cant have lost his creativity

But god what we have to endure is just horrendous lol

I mean they are building towards the "ECW Originals" vs. "The New Breed". Just look at how they had every single one of the originals turn ther backs on Paul E. It is working. I LOVED how the ECW faithful have excepted Angle as ECW. There was a great "Welcome back" chant. They did not crap on him like they did Big Show/Batista. The thing is if they had played Show as a ECW face vs the WWE superstar Heel the fans may have cheered show, if they only would start having Show do a small promo saying, "week after week Vince sends his Superstars, to try to take our title as we did his. Bring It On!!!" There has to be some storyline reasoning for the WWE invaders, it should be addressed by the commentators, I mean back when Lawler etc invaded ECW they treated it as him not being welcome, but when a WWE Superstar shows up its treated as just a main event match-up. I do like how they are building Show-Sabu though, atleast that will become a ECW feud. Show won't have the title much longer, either Sabu beats him at Summerslam, or Show goes over him in a brutal matchup that goes back and forth for 18-25 minutes. OR RVD comes out and attacks Show does the Vandaminator, Show bleeds. Then RVD chases Heyman to the back. And Sabu beats Show for the title and RVD comes back to celebrate with Sabu, but turns on Sabu and we have a classic feud similar to RVD/Taz, I LOVED the exchanges between them heh :)

It would me be nice. I just don't see Vince ever letting ECW be what it is. One can only hope though.

I just got a good laugh from WWE on UPN.While channel surfing The Tag Team Match with scotty 2 hottie .

I cant remember other guys. anywho, Scotty opponent went to do a flyin drop kick off the top rope. They completely screwed up the move. It was more obvious than it was suppose to be.
The guy missed Funaki by 10 feet lol . Funaki still landed as if he was dropped kicked.
Lost the match lol Come on guys. at least miss by 2 feet lmao! Too funny.

Wow, no reaction to last night's show. Yay Big Show didn't wrestle. Main Event was good and the return of RVD. Triple H lost to Umaga and he still remains undefeated on Raw. Smart booking for once as the Samoan Bulldozer remains unbeaten and Triple H suffers one of his few yearly losses on tv.

Last nights show was neither excellent nor horrid, it just reconfirmed Mike Knox has not talent and Al Snow will job forever :(

Its also crystal clear the people booking WWECW dont get old ECW, if they had they would have had Angle and Sabu going at and then had the lights go out and have RVD in the middle of the ring to decimate both.....I mean for 10 years thats how someone came in as a surprise in ECW, the crowd was behind RVD when he did his thumb chant thing so why not just add the extra boost of excitement

I mean it may sound like nitpicking but I will maintain till they get it right that WWECW just needs some minor tweaks, can you imagine RVD having showed with the crowd in the Hammerstein Ballroom if the lights went off.....oh to dream of Vinces poor management/writers getting it right!

I dont need the old ECW back but its not much to ask them to at least acknowledge how the old ECW was, the fans passion is still there for the most part

So what was you're favorite "lights out" moment? I loved the Jim Cornette appearance the best because it was the equivalent of Hell Freezing Over at the time where Jimbo set foot in an ECW ring.

What's your opinion of Sabu talking so much these days Mark? He's said more words in the last few weeks than he has in his whole career. lol

Supposedly Heyman has more input in the shows. Tommy Dreamer just gave up his office job to devote himself as a wrestler. Now he can put over more useless talet. Yipee

They are taking the edge & mystic away from Sabu. Which is typical McMahon.
Make him just another wrestler with a neat hat hence =
A young Iron Skiek.;)

Maybe I m paranoid. I think it's just a another little thumb in the eye to the ecw fans.

What you want. You wont get. Its RAW or nothing .

I almost cried al snow losin to Kevin the crapire . At least let it be someone who has a reputation. Or wrestled for one yr .. Hell 6 months on primetime .. Made me sick.. [}:)]

I'm still waiting for Abdullah The Butcher to return do stand up comedy and attack wrestlers with a spoon.[:u][:u][:u]

Speaking of wrestlers who aren't suppose to talk does anyone else remember when George The Animal Steele had electroshock therapy and said "How now brown cow" now that was funny.

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Sshhhhhhhhhhh..[:u].. That would mean showing your age [:u] So... No I don't recall that at all ;)[88]

Ha ha thats funny CP....Al Snow does have a reputation in WWE to job ha ha ha ha

Sadly Al will never be given the chance again as he was in his run with Shane Douglas, now that was some memorable stuff. I am still angry to this day they did not put the strap on him, talk about OVER with the fans!!! It was like the 2nd coming of Hogan when they handed out the heads before the event and you took them out when his music hit!

As for my favorite lights out is along the same lines, it was from ECW TV Jerry Lawler debuts....The lights go out & Van Dam appears, the lights go out again & Sabu Appears, the lights go out once more & Lawler appears...One of the greates angles ever! The dang place rioted when he showed and you still hear years later Lawler state in interviews he was legitametly scared.

Thats what makes the signs at One Night Stand 2006 soooooo funny (Cena wins we Riot) because given the history you know that was a good possibilty!

Sabu talking, well I will just say this.....throughout his career he has held most of the heavyweight belts and been in almost every promotion but only Vince and WWE thought it was great idea to have him on the mic.

This might be good :)

from wwe.com...

This Tuesday night, Kurt Angle, Sabu and Rob Van Dam will compete in a No. 1 Contender Triple Threat Ladder Match.

They are getting there lol

Like I said the ending to Tuesdays show could have been awesome with a simple lights off moment, I mean the crowd was 100% behind RVD after he laid out both wrestlers but the imagery of the lights out would have made it sooooo much better.

It is my hope that it was simply sucking till it got a regular schedule, once its on without having to impress Sci-Fi (at least to the point where they had to keep them renewing) it might get a little more normal. I mean really Sci-Fi cant complain if its been on for over 30 episodes and still draws a 2.0-2.5

Only problem is the winner gets to face Big Show[(#)]

Its still ECW wrestlers :) And you know Shows opponent whomever it is will be the new ECW champion :)

Brent

Or so you think...mwaaaahahahahahaha

That would be soooo Vince to have RVD win the #1 contender match and go for the belt and have Paul E screw him again just so we can have another final super cage ultimate death match no time limit extreme rules tower of doom till someone dies PPV match ;)

LMAO! Death Match I like that! It would be a welcomed change lol

why no more kelly :(

Actually Kelly was on this week, she just didn't do the teasing :)

And speaking of Death Matches those are so falsely advertised. lol

I remember the anticipation for the Tower of Doom matches, then I actually saw one. Ouch.

I wanna see A DUDE I QUIT match on ECW, YEAH ! ... what would you use for weapon? lmao!

wow tonights show REAKED. How many missed spots did RVD and Sabu have combined, it looks like I was in the ring for some of those ha ha ha

If Big Show had to wait any longer for Sabu to "steal the contract" I think he would have fallen asleep.

Will some please put this thread out of it's misery!!!!

Why its so fun to see that no matter what happens it gets worse and worse

Also its no different then Marcus vs Tekken banter ;)

We need to change the title :)

"Is ECW worse than last week?? Or Better??"

I think last night was decent, far better than the worst episode ever (The first one) but they need to rebound next week, something tells me this episode was thrown together due to Angle hurting himself over the weekend.

Brent

The overall episode I think is getting better, I dont know who needed more work RVD or Sabu ha ha

It seemed like RVD is still getting used to wrestling full time and Sabu normally would have hit those spots, he had his misses in the past but never that many...I wonder if its too much pressure since ECW TV used to be taped and the PPV's had a longer run time so he is having a problem adjusting the 4-9min format as opposed to the 22-45min old ECW format where is the match took the entire show it took the entire show (RVD vs Jerry Lynn or some Shane Douglas 3 way dances)

I think the Smackdown crowd is also coming around, but I will not agree that the main even was good. It would have not been SO bad if you did not see Sabu and RVD blanently waiting for the other to hit their spot (when RVD was sitting on the rope waiting for Sabu to attempt to jump to the corner rope, Big Show waiting forever for Sabu to get set to steal the pass)

I'm a little surprised I thought this show was the best so far. That may not be saying much but the format in theory is looking better. At least there seems to be some kind of plan. I think the show probably needs to be taped ahead, perhaps after Raw so that the screwed up spots aren't so blatant and can be edited for Tuesday.

I am hoping after Summerslam if they take the belt of Big Show that they can start introducing more titles. I dont know if they will though because Show draws MAJOR heat, with reports of him really getting into it with fans (spitting on them and vice versa) so I guess he is working the heel angle pretty good. Its about the most involved I have seen him since early WCW

What is glaring though in recent weeks was that 1hr is not long enough, I mean you can see the ECW pros dont like it and either it ends up a disaster or a squash. Its ironic that RAW has more "stars" but yet it struggles to fill 2hrs (why else do we see such LONG segments with the Divas, Vince and his family, and promos instead of wrestling).

Smackdown seems to do well in the 2hr block so I think if they can move ECW to "taped" shows like it used to be and stick it to 2hrs (Sci-Fi can handle it since they basically have 1hr extra before the re-run of Eureka comes on) it will start turning the corner

I still wonder if we will ever have any more belts, there is no way currently I can see them having even a tag belt with their 45m-1hr format, plus they only have 2 tag teams at the moment and most of their wrestlers are going for the World Title (CM Punk, RVD, Sabu, Big Show, Angle) so I doubt they could have a Light Heavyweight or TV belt at this point either.

I told my friend its sad when you know the ladder match will suck because there is about 8min left in the show, probably one of the reasons for all the missed spots was rushing.

The ratings so far:

Week 1 (6/13): 2.8
Week 2 (6/20): 2.3
Week 3 (6/27): 2.2
Week 4 (7/04): 1.4
Week 5 (7/11): 2.4
Week 6 (7/18): 2.2
Week 7 (7/25): 2.4
Week 8 (8/01): 2.4
Week 9 (8/08): 2.2
Week 10 (8/15): 2.3

Two more weeks before the end of the intial 12 week run.

isn't wrestling fake? .....

Its only fake as far as its outcome being pre-determined. They still get hurt and even die....

GBut to say wrestling is "fake" is a insult to every fan of wrestling and every wrestler, whether they are on the Indy Circuit, or in WWE or ECW.

Brent

You should check out "Beyond the Mat" , its an excellent documentary about the wrestling business, how fake and how real it can get, if you want I can send you a copy.

It has changed a lot over the years, in the past it was a lot "faker" then it is now. Wrestlers did less damaging moves (they did more of the basics, bodyslams, piledrivers, drop kicks), now they jump from 30ft ledges and fall of cages into tables (the tables for the most part are pre-cut but the impact still hurts. The independants are even more dangerous since they play in smaller venues and at times have to work harder to impress the crowds. Some of the worst injuries have come from these smaller shows then the actual big expensive pay per views.

The WWE/MTV reality show I think was great because it showed just how hard it is to be a wrestler since most people think its the fakest and easiest thing in the world.

And I am not attacking you Emo I am just stating things in a general basis.

I was just making a joke... Because all thru school, everyone says wrestling is fake and all that... Yes its all planned, but anybody who jumps from the top rope to land on their stomach flat is going to feel something lol... I know they can do more stuff I wouldn't even think of doing except when I was alot younger and didn't care if I got hurt lol.

**edit, I hadn't read ur whole post...** I'm sure you weren't attacking me, I was just adding some more humor to the thread... But of course, I'll admit I wouldn't go out there and do the things they do.. I probably just....... can't. You know? That takes alotta work and just mental fitness. overall, I just am not cut for something like taking chairs to the head and back lol... I have enuff back probs ;)

According to wrestleview.com ECW on Sci-fi has been renewed till December 2007. A replay will air later in the week. Doesn't look like they will get a 2hr show anytime soon.

Still a very good deal.

This weeks ECW got a 1.9 a 20 percent drop from last week, Raw also got a 20 percent drop this week. The consensious is that with a lower Raw as a lead in the night before it affected ECW. So next week should rebound to 2.3 again :) Hopefully better :)

Brent

Glad I saw the Sci-fi version of Raw on Monday as they didn't air Raw at all on USA in Hawaii. I would actually rate Raw as the best show of the three even with all the McMahon pandering. ECW at number two, and I'm still trying to find a reason to watch Smackdown. That choice might be decided for me in the Fall if there isn't a CW here.

RAW was a big mess this week, I mean the IC title is a freaking joke (I think MOTUfan, you and me could fight for the #1 contendership!) and Johnny Nitro was just babbling, I mean the whole I am going to be bigger than Mick Foley...well pal first start by getting the World Title and then open your mouth because until you get that you wont even come close...ohh that rights we cant remember storylines or title regins longer than 10 days lol

I have not liked RAW for some time, I think its just a big bag of crap...they need to get on the ADD medicine and focus the program...I mean the main event was not Edge?? I did not know we flipped the World Title to only PPV status and then against the same person for like 5 in a row

And Jeff Hardy...so he is fighting for the IC Belt after 2 weeks in WWE, it would serve them right to put the belt on him and have him no-show or get on drugs again.

I want to be positive but it just seems like the last year or so Vince has let the program crash for the sole reason there is nothing else on to compete.

Well you'd think Hell in a Cell should be a blowoff to the McMahon stuff(Oh please have them get tossed off the top:) Well Johnny Nitro lives up to his name as he blew on the microphone. Melina needs to be seen and not heard and Lita still can't talk after all these years. After the Edge/Cena thing runs it's course who will be thrown into the mix? I really don't know.

I was surprised Jeff Hardy is getting an IC title shot this quickly. Last time I remember someone getting a title shot that fast is when Kerry Von Erich came to the WWF in 1990 and won it at Summerslam.

I thought the product has been kinda sliding since Wrestlemania 20. However, I do agree with the decision for all three champs to retain their titles at Summerslam. There really wasn't enough build up for any of the matches to change any of the belts. I do miss the tradition of the IC title changing hands at that show though.

yeah well the talent rosters for WWE are in such disarray, I mean I hate how WWE constantly uses Big Show, Kane, and Undertaker (depending on which show we are speaking about) when they are in a jam.

UT has not been big since the 90's and has aged horribly. Kane to me never had any real talent and gets over because people put him over, and Big Slow has the makings of a champion but he needs to lose some weight and get in better stories.

I hate to say it but I dont think Edge is a good champion, not because of lack of skill as he possesss major mic and ring skills but because of lack of contenders. I mean if you were to remove Cena for injury who would be next in line??? Umaga? Carlito?

They spend so much time pushing DX/HHH/HBK/McMahons that they are missing out on establish younger wrestlers. The spirit squad could contain a few future champions but they are tied around a tag team division that simply does not exist, I mean hell break the Spirit Squad into 2 tag teams and make the 5th member a singles wrester lol.

I am with you William I want to see Vince thrown off the top of the cage, maybe he will break his *** or something and be out for a while. However I bet even if injured he would wheelchair out to the ring lol

Raw was on Monday on USA about an hour later... everything was running a bit late I guess. I'm waiting for TNA t/n... I get bored with some of the stuff sometimes.. I wish that ECW was extreme matches all the time, instaead of 1 a nigh

TNA probably has a better 1hr show than anyone else, but I just can't get into the personalities. I zone out as soon as I hear Jeff Jarrett's theme music. Raw usually gets cut out here when they have the US open or the Dog Show. For some reason they just don't bother to tape the later feed so we get like a double helping of Law & Order.

WWE really should be trying to put some new talent over with all the McMahons/DX stuff. Orton & Carlito probably could have been elevated if they were involved.

Maybe they should unify the three world titles and have one undisputed champion. It would make the World title more important and upgrade the value of the secondary titles for the 3 shows. At least the obvious #1 contenders would generally be the IC, US, and whatever belt they would come up with for ECW.

I like TNA but the announcers kill the show for me. If a program has bland announcer I just cannot get into it.

Brent

Yeah Mike Tenay is a poor man's JR and Don West has been horrible with his hoarse voice since day one.[:-(]

Tenay is the reason I could never get into Nitro fully during the Monday Night Wars I always Fast Forwarded when watching after Raws.

UGH!!!

Yeah it was Tenay's fault Nitro failed:D Works for me. He never came off as sincere in his commentary as JR did.

Man those final years of Nitro were really horrible to watch(and listen too). The early years it was just horrible to listen to.

Yes that Means Mongo & Bischoff's commentary. Bobby Heenan came off as such a class act as he didn't need to put WWF down at all during his entire run on air in WCW.

So I didnt miss anything then lol

WWE Raw sure is boring these days. It's like 25% wrestling and 25% ads for other wrestling events coming soon, and 50% drama crap. Boo.....