Go Back   TVPast Forums > Local TV Channels > The Coffee Clutch: TV Talk and News


Reply
Thread Tools
  #1  
  08-03-2005, 05:33 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
Site Staff – Forum Moderator
 
Arcade Wins: Asteroids Champion Minigolf Champion People on Fire Champion
Location: The Smurfs Village
Stats: 9,761 posts since May 2005
Status: Moderator
Thanks: 130 times in 115 posts
I don't know what Lucha Libre and all that other stuff is, but growing up in Dallas, I was brought up by the "house of Von Erich" around here, taking frequent trips to the now-demolished Dallas Sportatorium near downtown, where the WCCW played most of their matches.

I remember when the "Dingo Warrior" started out (Ultimate Warrior, Warrior on WCW and I think WWF too). All the Von Erichs, Wild Bill Irwin, Iceman King Parson, Bruiser Brody, Buck Zumholf, Jake "the Snake" Roberts, Bam Bam, and some others.

Dingo used to do WESTWAY FORD commercials, I'm hoping to find one on one of my old 80s tapes here in the future. Great piece of nostalgia for me, had a whole series of them actually, he did those for at least a year.

As I understand it, Dingo was a real "hunk" at the time, and my sister touched him at a match one time, and said she'd "never wash her hand again" ... to which my mother replied "wash that man's sweat off yourself or you're not getting any dinner!"

I also watched a lot of GLOW and that other one (KISS?), the female wrestlers. And I mean REAL WRESTLERS, they tended to look like Kelly Bundy in MWC, but in their 20s/30s and usually hot the that slutty 80s sort of way.

I remember migrating to WWF in 1989/1990 when WCCW folded, but didn't last too long as I quit paying attention for some number of years. I remember Abdula the Butcher, for example, and the wrestling match he had where somebody supposedly died (was that for real?). Hulk was big at the time, I had a huge theatre poster I sold about 2 years ago from his first movie.

My most vivid memories are of the evil manager PERCY PRINGLE
http://www.percypringle.com/Gallery-...2/pic-011.html
He later became PAUL BEARER in the WWF after WCCW closed up shop.

Anybody have any WCCW or GLOW or anything else?

I did like WWF in the late 90s, especially 1997-1999, with Steve Austin was in his heyday and Degeneration X, but I lost interest again. I think wrestling is too much T&A and talk now, and not enough buttkicking. If I want T&A, I can just watch porn.

__________________
The LS Collection:. My Cartoon and TV Show List | My Want List | My Future Projects
Reply With Quote
  #2  
  08-03-2005, 05:40 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
Site Staff – Forum Moderator
 
Arcade Wins: Asteroids Champion Minigolf Champion People on Fire Champion
Location: The Smurfs Village
Stats: 9,761 posts since May 2005
Status: Moderator
Thanks: 130 times in 115 posts
Hey! I found 3 DVD release of GLOW!
http://www.westlakeent.com/glow_1.htm
http://www.westlakeent.com/glow_2.htm
http://www.westlakeent.com/glow_3.htm
__________________
The LS Collection:. My Cartoon and TV Show List | My Want List | My Future Projects
Reply With Quote
  #3  
  08-03-2005, 09:35 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
I loved WCCW, fondest memory is WCCW vs AWA in the Von Erich vs Lawler title for title unification match, I used to watch WCCW all the time on ESPN in the afternoon

Actually Warrior got his start with Sting in UWF long before he ever went anywhere else but Icemam King Parsons was a riot along with Brickhouse Brown. I miss WCCW, it had a certain camp to it but those guys knew how to wrestle, I was a massive Kerry Von Erich fan (as started above) and was upset with him killed himself in the WWF from painkillers and losing his foot

LS you live in TX how could you not know about Luche Libre/AAA and others, that is right in your neck of the woods

Steve Austin in the WWF was just a shadow of himself in ECW where he did Monday Nyquil paradies with a wig because Bishoff and WCW fired him via FEDEX (true story), Vince let him push the envelope but nothing like what his short work in Philly was with Brian Pillman

I think wrestling ultimately needs to get back to just that, wrestling. 5-10 min matches are for pussies, I want the 45 min slugfests where we see that these guys are not just roided up retards
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
  08-03-2005, 10:16 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
Site Staff – Forum Moderator
 
Arcade Wins: Asteroids Champion Minigolf Champion People on Fire Champion
Location: The Smurfs Village
Stats: 9,761 posts since May 2005
Status: Moderator
Thanks: 130 times in 115 posts
There are certain things in life that I enjoy, but I never paid attention to details (like names or dates), or at least have not in the past. Wrestling, country music, women... things like that.

__________________
The LS Collection:. My Cartoon and TV Show List | My Want List | My Future Projects
Reply With Quote
  #5  
  08-03-2005, 10:20 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
lol Women ha ha ha. I will look through my stuff and if I find any of the WCCW stuff I have its yours. It used to air on ESPN Classic for a while which again I kick myself for not recording it
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
  08-04-2005, 05:52 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: Pearl City, Hawaii, USA
Stats: 399 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Just checked out wrestleview.com WWE is close to buying the World Class footage from Kevin Von Erich. I really liked the early 80s World Class stuff with the valets, and the Dynamic Duo. It was fun as the NWA champ would come in a bunch of times to defend the World title. You know at some time there's going to be a rise and fall of World Class or at least the Von Erichs.

I never understood how Lucha Libre never really got over in Texas due to the proximity to Mexico. It was and still pretty hot in LA.

This sounds really stupid now, but I used to hate GLOW. I thought it kind of made other pro wrestling look bad. Then puberty kicked in LOL.

Reply With Quote
  #7  
  08-04-2005, 08:27 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
Ha ha Godiva made puberty kick in

I would kill if they made a Rise of Fall of WCCW like they did the Rise and Fall of ECW, that is probably one of the best documentaries about wrestling ever made, especially since I went to the ECW shows and remember a lot of the small things they discussed. The tragedy surrounding that family and its importance in wrestling history not only regional but also international would give them more than enough to fill 3 hours
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #8  
  08-08-2005, 05:43 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: LOS ANGELES, CA
Stats: 482 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
I was a HUGE fan of WCCW, that's where we witnessed one of the greatest wrestling feuds in history, being the Von Erichs' VS. The Fabulous Freebirds. I mean thir fued was truly a "blood war" if I ever saw one. Other great wrestlers that I remember from WCCW include Brian Adias, Gino Hernandez, Steve Simpson, Al Madril, Gary Hart, Skandar Akbarr amoung others. I used to love getting home from school on minimum days and watching WCCW on ESPN @ 1:00pm Pacific Time.

WCCW Triva: Can anybody name the two T.V. anouncers that worked the broadcasts on ESPN? (I DO know the answers)
__________________
"Gary, I'm like that old dog, I've had all I can take, but not all I want" - Gino Hernandez to Gary Hart
Reply With Quote
  #9  
  08-08-2005, 08:15 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
Mark Lowrence and Bill Mercer I think, I am pretty sure on the 2nd one. Didnt they were sportcoats as well, god that was a long time ago

I was also very fond of Lee Marshall in the AWA and the legendary Gordon Solie from NWA/WCW
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #10  
  08-08-2005, 08:22 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: Pearl City, Hawaii, USA
Stats: 399 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
I'm taking a stab at this. Was it Bill Mercer and Marc Lowrance (sp?)? Favorite quote from Marc Lowrance was after Chris Adams was hit in the head by a Coke bottle. "I think he might be dead!".

My favorite World Class moments were usually from the Xmas shows. I liked the cage match that Michael Hayes was the ref between Kerry Von Erich and Ric Flair that sparked the Freebird/Von Erich feud. Funniest one was the Xmas show that Santa Claus came out to the ring to see the Von Erichs and then started beating on the Von Erichs. Santa was revealed as Michael Hayes and then the rest of the Freebirds beat up the Von Erichs. Lots of good memories of World Class when you can forget about all the tragedies that happened in this promotion.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
  08-08-2005, 08:31 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
Ha ha ha I remember that, I always thought WCW ripped that story off later when they had Norman Smiley as a crazy santa claus that turned evil

Every historic promotion has their tragedy, I mean ECW had the Mass Transit incident where the kid lied about his age and then died in the ring, or much like WCCW had wrestlers who did themselves in like Pillman, Spicoli, and Eddie Gilbert. I think its enevitable in that business and the truly great promotions that had heart dont get the fortune of shielding their talent like the WCW and WWF seemed to be able to do by just cutting the problem childs and leaving them on the street
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #12  
  08-08-2005, 08:58 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: Pearl City, Hawaii, USA
Stats: 399 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Actually every time I see a Santa or a cake you know somethings about to happen on a wrestling show. Jake Roberts did the Santa angle in Florida when he was a henchman for Kevin Sullivan . I think that was the one Dusty lost a loser leaves town match and came back as the Midnight Rider.

Actually couple of notes on some of the things you mentioned Brian Pillman died while he was still employed in WWF. He was suppose to wrestle Goldust on the same show with the first Hell in the Cell with HBK and Taker with the Kane debut. He died in his sleep. The belief of his death was that all the chemical enhancements he had strained his heart. Conditions were similar to Eddie Gilbert's death.

Louie Spicoli died from OD on painkillers and alcohol. He was employed in WCW at the time. The ECW incident the youth Eric Kulka(sp) bled like a chicken with his head cut off when New Jack cut him too deep with a blade. The parents sued and that's where that controversy came from. I don't think he died.

It is true that a lot of this stuff happened by choice and I'm not sure if the promotions should be held solely responsible for any of this.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
  08-08-2005, 09:29 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
yeah but as far as Pillman goes he was only in WWF using his "ECW" character and had just come over no more than a few months after leaving WCW and the 4H then spending time in ECW using the hatred for WCW that he created after following Austin, in just another case of WWF not using original ideas, I mean the whole Austin/Pillman angle was just so out of place, he had so much talent and it was cut too short. Pillman also suffered a violent car accident which led him down the route of Kerry Von Erich with the painkillers, that apparently is the plague of wrestling as it has taken many a wrestler

Also when Spicoli died it may have been under WCW watch but at the time look at the roster of both companies, its not like WCW found him and made him, he was just another example of misuse of talent and it seems as though no work = more time to indulge in the bad stuff, take Scott Hall for instance, he had major alcohol and drug problems after he was required to work less because of the NWO popularity and in Behind the Mat you see this is also part of the reason Jake Roberts has such issues, all work and no play in the wrestling business apparently keeps you from getting into the problems as badly.

I have the Mass Transit video somewhere around here, it was scary and you are right he did not die he took 50 stitches to the head but it was his own fault, wrestlers usually cut themselves open and he had NJ do it for him, that was just poor management on their part as he should have never been allowed in the ring with one of their most violent members

__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #14  
  08-08-2005, 09:51 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: Pearl City, Hawaii, USA
Stats: 399 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Yeah the scary part of Brian Pillman's ticking timebomb character was that it really mirrored his life. I really enjoyed him as a wrestler when he was "Flyin' Brian". It would have been fun to see what a healthy Brian Pillman could have done in the WWF. I still remember that Vince McMahon had to apologize on television for the whole gun angle that aired on Raw on the next Saturday mornings Livewire.

Anyway not to make light of all that stuff but World Class was awesome when it was on it's game. I always found it funny how the announcers would cater to the Von Erichs. I always found it cool when another wrestler would start getting cheers they'd have to be turned heel to feud with the Von Erichs. I remember that Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez were at times getting as much cheers and would have to do stuff like cut a Von Erich's hair or hit one of them on the head with a chair because nobody could be as popular as the Von Erichs.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
  08-08-2005, 10:08 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: LOS ANGELES, CA
Stats: 482 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by markatisu

Mark Lowrence and Bill Mercer I think, I am pretty sure on the 2nd one. Didnt they were sportcoats as well, god that was a long time ago

I was also very fond of Lee Marshall in the AWA and the legendary Gordon Solie from NWA/WCW
Yes, you're right Mark, it was Mark Lowrance and Bill Mercer.

Oh, and who could forget two other WCCW greats by the names of "Gorgeous" Gary Young and "Flamboyant" Eric Embry?? Remember when Embry had to "save" the WCCW/USWA from being lost to Tojo Yamamoto and P.Y. Chu Hi? (who was not even Japanese, but a big fat white guy) BTW...anybody remember the GWF (Global Wrestling Federation)?

Lastly, yes, I also remember both "Stagger" Lee Marshall AND the truly legendary Gordon Solie. With regard to Marshall, I'm surprised that the WWE hasn't signed him, he's got a great wrestling anouncer voice, and you could always tell he "loved" the business. As for Mr. Solie, he was a consumate pro. he'd not only call the matches, but educate the fans about the holds used during the match. The best anouncer left in the business today is Jim Ross hands down. (I love how Jerry Lawler cracks on Ross for giving every wrestlers' college football background, as well as how everyone seems to be 6'5" & 275lbs.)
__________________
"Gary, I'm like that old dog, I've had all I can take, but not all I want" - Gino Hernandez to Gary Hart
Reply With Quote
  #16  
  08-08-2005, 10:45 AM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
What always made me mad was that Lee Marshall worked with WCW for a short while after working with AWA and USWA but then was bumped a lot of Tony Crappony (I hate him hence the name) and Mike Tenay who were about as dead as doornails and 9/10 talked about other storylines that had NOTHING to do with the matches, my friend and I always use to talk on the phone during WCW Nitro and say gee it would be nice if they were actually calling the match ha ha ha

I think the only 2 REAL announces in all of wrestling are Joey Styles (if you watched ECW One Night Only you realized this) and Jim Ross, they both have a love and knowledge of the sport that beckons back to the old school. Tony Schovani, Mike Tenay, Todd Petitingill (or whatever his name was) and countless others I dont think get it. Tenay could be a great announcer but he is very timid and gets over-run by all who are around him

Eric Embry always made me chuckle, WCCW never took itself too seriously or too comedic which is why I think it survived on ESPN for as long as it did, it was always a hoot to watch because you knew that no matter how the storylines went you were still going to get one hell of a wrestling match from even the low level/mid carders.

Were the Texas Hangmen WCCW or AWA? You know the guys that wore chaps, black masks and came to the ring with ropes, I know WWF ripped off their gimmick a bit a few years ago
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
  #17  
  08-08-2005, 11:00 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
Site Staff – Forum Moderator
 
Arcade Wins: Asteroids Champion Minigolf Champion People on Fire Champion
Location: The Smurfs Village
Stats: 9,761 posts since May 2005
Status: Moderator
Thanks: 130 times in 115 posts
Who was the short guy with the bald head and mustache in the 1980s for WWF ?
__________________
The LS Collection:. My Cartoon and TV Show List | My Want List | My Future Projects
Reply With Quote
  #18  
  08-08-2005, 11:14 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: LOS ANGELES, CA
Stats: 482 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by lordsmurf

Who was the short guy with the bald head and mustache in the 1980s for WWF ?
"Mean" Gene Okerlund
__________________
"Gary, I'm like that old dog, I've had all I can take, but not all I want" - Gino Hernandez to Gary Hart
Reply With Quote
  #19  
  08-08-2005, 11:23 AM
 
Verified Member
 
Location: LOS ANGELES, CA
Stats: 482 posts since Jun 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts


Were the Texas Hangmen WCCW or AWA? You know the guys that wore chaps, black masks and came to the ring with ropes, I know WWF ripped off their gimmick a bit a few years ago
[/quote]

Yes, the Texas Hangmen were WCCW, and YES, the wwe/f would often rip off gimmicks. Can anybody remember Demolition? WWE's Road Warriors?
__________________
"Gary, I'm like that old dog, I've had all I can take, but not all I want" - Gino Hernandez to Gary Hart
Reply With Quote
  #20  
  08-08-2005, 12:15 PM
markatisu's Avatar
Verified Member
 
Location: Ames, IA, USA
Stats: 2,824 posts since May 2005
Status: Verified Member
Thanks: 0 times in 0 posts
Send a message via AIM to markatisu Send a message via MSN to markatisu
Yeah Demolition was quite a rip off of the Road Warriors so were Powers of Pain, it was funny that when LOD (Legion of Doom) finally did arrive in the WWF they demolished their credibility with Rocko the freaking puppet! They were monsters in Japan, AWA and NWA (who here does not remember when they took Dusty Rhodes eye out with a spike during a Saturday taping!) and then to enter the WWF with bright red shoulder pads and a manager who rode a harley and had a puppet...sad sad days

Also Mean Gene has his own burger chain, they have one out here in Iowa City, my friend did not believe me so I had to send him some napkins, there is a BIG plastic statue of him outside of it that you can take your picture with ha ha ha
__________________
Not trading anymore, if you are interested we can work something out. Look ma I am sorta famous (and again).
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WCCW Debuts on WWE 24/7 markatisu Reality TV: Sports, Gameshows, Non-Fiction 3 02-26-2007 12:36 AM
For all you Football Fans out there Tcel93 Reality TV: Sports, Gameshows, Non-Fiction 17 10-17-2006 01:58 AM
For the Airwolf fans wheezer210 The Coffee Clutch: TV Talk and News 1 03-24-2006 08:29 AM

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:17 AM  —  vBulletin Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd

Contact Us   -   Top of Page   -   Site Home   -   Forum Home   -   Archive   -   Forum Policies