Wwecw...Will It Ever Get Better! (the Rant Thread)

[markatisu]

Yeah whenever Vince gives up the promotion to Stephanie we will be in even worse shape because she will micro manage 10x worse then her father and what she does not destroy HHH will with his uber ego trips.

I can see HHH still as champ when he is like 65 solely because he can not because he would be deserving of it say like Ric Flair

This says everything to me about the way WWE is headed, this is from the front page of www.wwe.com

SPEAR II

Edge kept his word by showing up on ECW on Sci Fi. After Rob Van Dam defeated Kurt Angle, the Rated-R Superstar entered the ring and nailed the WWE Champion with a vicious spear for the second consecutive night.

[MOTUfan]

I think once Vince retires or passes on, I think after a month of Steph and Paul running things we will long for the days of Vince sadly And that will be truely sick.
Vince does not want to be known as a wrestling promoter, he wants to be a Sports Entertainment Mogul, thats why he has created so many different divisions, WWE films, WWE Books, WWE etc.

Now in theory its a good game plan, a good business plan to branch your compnay out to expand and evolve, BUT not at the cot of the very history of the industry that brought Vince all his millions.

Brent

[MOTUfan]

Major problems for ECW

http://www.irontontribune.com/articl...ws/news437.txt

Wrestling stars busted in Hanging Rock
By Kirsten Stanley/The Ironton Tribune

HANGING ROCK — Two wrestling superstars from Extreme Championship Wrestling and World Wrestling Entertainment may be tough in the ring, but they didn’t have enough muscle to escape drug charges after being stopped Sunday night by the Ohio State Highway Patrol.

Robert Alex Szatowski, aka WWE and ECW champion Rob Van Dam, and Terry Michael Brunk, aka Sabu, also a former ECW champion, were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock at about 10:15 p.m. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the OSHP, Szatowski was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found the wrestler in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Brunk was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.

Szatowski, of Battle Creek, Mich., has had a long, successful career with both the WWE and ECW. In addition to being the current champion of both, he has been intercontinental champion six times, hardcore champion four times and has been a part of several championship tag team duos.

He is scheduled to wrestle tonight on WWE Raw and is also wrestling Tuesday night to retain his WWE and ECW titles during the “Extreme Rules Match” on the Sci-Fi channel.

Brunk, who lists his hometown as Bombay, India, on the WWE Web site, has also had a successful career with the ECW, earning world heavyweight championship titles two times and tag team championship honors three times.

Both Brunk and Szatowski are scheduled to appear at 10 a.m. Thursday in Ironton Municipal Court. Both wrestlers won their matches last night in Huntington, W.Va. Van Dam defeated the Big Show and Sabu defeated Justin Credible.

Then WWE just posted this:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rvdsabucharges

WWE investigating Rob Van Dam and Sabu charges
By Ed Williams III
July 3, 2006

In the wake of being faced with five violations, including drug possession, by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, WWE.com reports that Rob Van Dam and Sabu arrived at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia at 1:30 p.m. today and immediately went into a meeting with Vice President of Talent Relations John Laurinaitis.

Following the meeting, Mr. Laurinaitis told WWE.com that Rob Van Dam and Sabu will be eligible to compete tonight on RAW and tomorrow night at ECW on Sci Fi while an ongoing investigation is being conducted by World Wrestling Entertainment. The two men will be appearing in court Thursday morning at Ironton Municipal Court.

According to the Ironton Tribune, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock, Ohio at about 10:15 p.m. Sunday night. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the Ohio State Police, as reported by the Ironton Tribune, Van Dam was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.

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I have a bad feeling everything will be pinned on Sabu and he will be let go if nothing happens to them on Thursday, BUT I have a feeling tomorrow night when RVD defends both belts against Edge he will lose

[markatisu]

RVD loosing to Edge on the ECW show would be the perfect way for it to die as that would be the antithesis of what ECW was past and present. You will know if Vince has meant it to be a statement if RVD gets squashed on the ECW show...then you will know we truly have about 8 weeks of pure crap before it dies for good or lives on as a crappy heat style show

[WEW3]

Well it seems to give WWE an out if ECW fails now doesn't it. I'm not sure how ECW will fly if RVD and Sabu are let go. If they are found guilty then they should be let go IMO. I have no idea who could replace them that could have good matches and adequately represent what ECW is and or was.

[cp32]

Well, the amount of marijuanna he had is a misdismeanor. The other narcotics is a different story lol . What a moron. Holiday weekend. You dont go for a cruise to burn one? What were they thinking lol RVD can afford a good attorney. I dont see any jail time. Just a hue fine ( wink wink). After tonights show. Its safe to say RVD wont be on ECW . ECW is officially RAW.
TEST???? His in ring skills sucked before. They still stink lol He just looks good.

ECW without SABU is like Rice without Crispies ? Peanut Butter with no peanuts.
Porn without sex. sorry... Bad analogy but you get the point

[markatisu]

Wow you know I knew Vince was going to kill it but Wow

Of all the ******* people to give the belt too!!! Why not Al Snow who should have won the belt back years ago against Shane Douglas if not forced to return to WWE, why not Dreamer or a new ECW wrestler that could carry the franchise but BIG SHOW?!?!?!

I was proud the fans threw food and drinks in the ring because thats what was deserved

ECW or whatever the farce is called is now dead, they have no other belts or seem to intend to introduce any other belts. They barely have a roster and are obsessed in following the same failing formula

How many times do we need to see Kelly attempt to strip and do it sooooo badly?
How many times do we need to see Sandman come out sans Metallica music and not get over?
Can Joey Styles and Tazz be anymore annoying? What happened to Joey, did he forget how to comment?

Vince should be rebooting the whole organization, DX failed horribly on Monday Night with many in attendance booing them and Vince as boring. It was excruciating to watch the DX segments as they seemed so out of touch and unfunny, its NOT the 90's anymore dudes

I think the WWE/ECW/WCW/Titan Sports is heading for a big crash. The only reason they pull ratings is because there is nothing else on and there is no competition.

TNA is no better but god I did not realize that the WWE was going to just put on crap and because there is nothing else thats good enough.

[cp32]

Its not the 90's anymore??? too bad.. ECW was great then lol

Yip, tonights ECW was depressing....Farewell ECW

[Tranzor]

I was hoping at least that Tony devito (the fan yelling about how bad ecw was) would have at least fought sandman in a match. I knew RVD was losing his belt and this is all due to the recent drug charges. Him and Sabu will prob be suspended for a while. Though it was nice to actually see big show be allowed to do some wrestling moves for a change

[MOTUfan]

Van Dam got a 30 day suspension.

I habve yet to see the show but heard CM Punk debut.

[WEW3]

After 4 weeks the show is as formulatic as you said. Non-striptease, non-over talent putting over ECW talent, Sandman caning someone and main event. I actually enjoyed the main event and the reaction, but I agree someone other than the Big Show should have been put over. Maybe Dreamer might get a longer ECW reign this time?

[MOTUfan]

WWE responds to charges against RVD and Sabu
By Ed Williams III
July 5, 2006


World Wrestling Entertainment earlier this week announced it was investigating five violations, including drug possession, levied against Rob Van Dam and Sabu by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. WWE announced today that based on information gathered over the past few days, Van Dam has been suspended without pay for 30 days and Sabu has been fined $1000. These actions are consistent with the Wellness Policy at WWE.

According to the Ironton Tribune, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were pulled over on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock, Ohio at about 10:15 p.m. Sunday night. The two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the Ohio State Police, as reported by the Ironton Tribune, Van Dam was initially stopped for speeding. When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and performed a search. Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at the scene.
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Also according to PWInsiders hotline, due to how well RVD handled himself backstage once he returns to action he is getting a huge push. So dont give up on McECW, Big Show is just a transisitional champion until RVD returns

Brent

[markatisu]

I dont think McECW can survive Big Slow as champ

Brent you are too optimistic lol

Big Slow used to be able to done tons of moves, I have even seen him do an actual moonsault but WCW and WWE misused him greatly. Last night you could see him just struggle to pull off the suplex off the ropes and he really slowed the pace of the match.

That was one of the main reasons he will suck as the champ, the Champs role is to get others over and entertain, Big Slow needs to be more fit and it should not be ECW wrestlers jobs to get him over if he is good enough to hold the belt.

[MOTUfan]

quote:Originally posted by markatisu

I dont think McECW can survive Big Slow as champ

Brent you are too optimistic lol

Big Slow used to be able to done tons of moves, I have even seen him do an actual moonsault but WCW and WWE misused him greatly. Last night you could see him just struggle to pull off the suplex off the ropes and he really slowed the pace of the match.

That was one of the main reasons he will suck as the champ, the Champs role is to get others over and entertain, Big Slow needs to be more fit and it should not be ECW wrestlers jobs to get him over if he is good enough to hold the belt.

Then they put the dang belt on the freaking ZOmbie for all I care lol. Just get it off him and yes I remember when he did the moonsault lol, he was such a rising star then he came to WWE and everyone beat him heh.

MAYBE last nights trash filled right will have Vince pull the belt off Show sooner rather than later, but I am confident once Rob returns it will be his again.

[MOTUfan]

Also the only WWE wrestler that McMahon pushed on Heyman was Angle. Test and Knox being on the ECW roster were both Heyman's ideas, and it's no secret that Big Show is one of Heyman's boys ever since Show had the fued with Lesnar, Heyman has been high on Show. Heyman hopes Show can achive past acoyltes in ECW where is was drowning in WWE. I got all this from Meltzer

Brent

[WEW3]

Big Show question. What show did he do the moonsault on. I remember seeing a Japanese magazine several years ago where he did a missle dropkick off the top rope. I remember he was suppose to unveil the moonsault on a WCW PPV against Kevin Nash, but of course Nash vetoed it.

[markatisu]

I will have to check but I know I saw it on a house show WCW ran in MD/DC/VA during the time he just entered (when he was getting the monster push)

EDIT: I just tried to search and several other fans around the late 90's-2000 report seeing him doing a moonsault from the 2nd rope at house shows as well, must have been when he was just in WCW before he got the stigma of being too big as he got in WWE. He was much more agile then but I think they would not let him do it to top talent out of fear of injury if landed bad

[markatisu]

Wow, thats about all I can say:

Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Apparently WWE have decided not to publicly punish Orton for violating the
WWE Wellness Program. In addition to be fined $2,000, Vince McMahon will
hire Orton a rehab consultant where he/she will travel on the road with
Orton, due to the fact Orton will not be taken off WWE television.

Many stars are outraged at WWE officials and even Vince McMahon for not
taking drastic action towards the situation. Paul Heyman is said to be the
most outraged, due to the fact that RVD, the star of ECW was suspened for
thirty days for something similar to this situation, however, Orton has not
even been serverly punished.

One source within WWE commented "This is highly unfair to the entire roster
that Orton was not suspened. It's going to make the wellness program look
more like a joke because just about everything in WWE leaks online." It
should also be noted that Hulk Hogan is the reason Orton didn't get suspened
because he played peace-maker during the entire situation. He persuaded
Vince to keep Orton, especially with the big Summerslam showdown coming in
August

[MOTUfan]

quote:Originally posted by markatisu

Wow, thats about all I can say:

Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Apparently WWE have decided not to publicly punish Orton for violating the
WWE Wellness Program. In addition to be fined $2,000, Vince McMahon will
hire Orton a rehab consultant where he/she will travel on the road with
Orton, due to the fact Orton will not be taken off WWE television.

Many stars are outraged at WWE officials and even Vince McMahon for not
taking drastic action towards the situation. Paul Heyman is said to be the
most outraged, due to the fact that RVD, the star of ECW was suspened for
thirty days for something similar to this situation, however, Orton has not
even been serverly punished.

One source within WWE commented "This is highly unfair to the entire roster
that Orton was not suspened. It's going to make the wellness program look
more like a joke because just about everything in WWE leaks online." It
should also be noted that Hulk Hogan is the reason Orton didn't get suspened
because he played peace-maker during the entire situation. He persuaded
Vince to keep Orton, especially with the big Summerslam showdown coming in
August

Thats fake, it wasnt on the Observer site or in the newsletter. It was on a copy and paste site originally that makes up news and gives credit to the Observer this was just posted:

From Meltzer:

--There has been some sort of an item regarding Randy Orton posted on some web sites attributes to the Observer. The item is made up and has never appeared in the Observer Newsletter. Orton can get into enough trouble on his own without people having to make up stuff on him. Any sites who posted anything owe Orton a major and immediate apology and should pray WWE legal doesn't come after you, because it's going to be pretty hard to defend yourself when you credit something to a newsletter you don't even read.

[markatisu]

ha ha thats funny. I like the comment he makes about Orton

Although I dont agree with owing Orton an apology, he is still a major ***