Wwecw...Will It Ever Get Better! (the Rant Thread)

[markatisu]

If I were booking I would have Big Show and Batista go toe to toe in a hard fought match and have Batista just about kill Show (we know Show can blade and get the crap beat out of him) and then have RVD come in and nail Batista to have Big Show win and then beat the living hell out of Big Show...thus showing that RVD wants revenge but he wants to beat show to get it

Of course knowing Vince I bet it will be something really poor like RVD running in with a chair or Sabu interferring leading to a DQ lol

We will all have to tune in and watch because since its A)Live and B)from NY the fans will be hot (hopefully) meaning no matter what happens the fans will get the event over and if its booked as poorly as most of WWECW has been they will send a resounding message of this blows.

[MOTUfan]

Sci-Fi picks up ECW for Fall Schedule:

The Sci-Fi Channel has released it's TV schedule for September and ECW will air every Tuesday in September from 10 to 11 PM. The original 12-week deal expires on August 29th and since Sci-Fi is advertising ECW for the entire month of September, a new deal must have been made.

Here are the listings for every Tuesday in September:

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[markatisu]

ha ha that could be a curse instead of a blessing lol

8 or so weeks we have had so far have for the most part stunk to high heck, maybe when RVD returns, CM Punk debuts, and Show gets the belt taken off him it will improve, sadly just because of the wrestling alone its a bit more enjoyable then the flagship show RAW.

[Tranzor]

I just stopped watching the new ecw and wwe all together. Its just so horrible and stupid I cannot watch anything WWE made as of late

[WEW3]

I feel your pain. lol I haven't really been into wrestling that much since Wrestlemania 20, but I continue to watch it out of habit. I've already sold like a big chunk of my wrestling collection.

[onlyemokid]

I'm waiting for the chick to get nekkid hahha :P

[markatisu]

the 1st half of the show as quite decent, had a "feeling" of old ECW with the crowd really into it, I felt that the Knox/Test thing is building up to a PPV and CM Punk showed some of his moves but I have a strong feeling they had him tone it down and save it for RVD or a PPV before doing this ROH type moves and workrate.

The Angle thing was just stupid...WTF is Brooklyn Brawler doing and how exactly does that do anything for Angle. I would actually be worried if the former World Champion and Gold Medalist had a hard time with old *** untalented Steve Lombardi

And the main event well we all knew it would suck, Batista wont risk injury so soon after coming back, the crowd chanting loudly BORING and Tazz had the nerve to say that it was anything but lol

And it was supposed to be "Extreme Rules" when did that change? What a piece of crap.....I wish the crowd would riot because they show flashes of greatness and then ruin it all the time

Sabu coming in to beat the crap out of the Big Show should have been the main event.

Getting better but still signs that WWF management and writing just does not get it, they have the pieces to make it work but then I guess out of fear results to the RAW/Smackdown style of booking which just deflates the crowd

That show needs to be recorded and handed out to all up and coming promotions as a introductory lesson on how to absolutely kill a crowd and make them get out of an event they WANT to see

[cp32]

6 weeks and still crappy... Time to crap or get off the pot already :P

The ECW crowd is sick of the same old predictable matches. The Vampire ???HUH? Enough already.

This NON EXTREME Tentative rules match . Who came up with the Brainfart? They are trying to shove WWE Down the EcW fans throat. It's not working.

Vince probably figure. They hate it now. Wait till next week. I ll make them hate it so much.
That they will actually look forward to seeing RAW .

There is nothing extreme about ECW anymore. Except the Extreme F'n C W Fans :P
I watch it for the crowd anymore. I think if Ecw was going to improve. It would have by now.

Vince is just toying with it now. He always resented ECW. Now he gets to takes all the cheap shots he wants live. The idiotic thing about it is... He owns it all. So why not just let ECW be ECW. Sit back and enjoy the prophits. Stop the interchaning of Federations crap already.

It keeps getting worse. Too bad WCCW was sold to vince. It could given vince a another run his money. It was the only Federation vince did not own the rights to. So much potential.

.........What was wrestling entertainment come to ... Porn & comedy ?

I m all for Entertaining your auidence. At least give the people what they want.

[markatisu]

"Vince is just toying with it now. He always resented ECW. Now he gets to takes all the cheap shots he wants live. The idiotic thing about it is... He owns it all. So why not just let ECW be ECW. Sit back and enjoy the prophits. Stop the interchaning of Federations crap already"

Exactly, but god forbid he not make RAW the flagship show! What the hell is the problem YOU OWN IT ALL DUMBASS!!! I mean christ it would be like NBC trying to screw Sci-Fi or USA out of ratings when they are all owned by the same parents company....now that sounds stupid but having WWECW suck compared to RAW makes perfect sense.

But Vince does own it all so it will be this way for a LONG time

[onlyemokid]

How do they get by with letting fans flip the finger, and big show.. and yelling "you suck d***" and all that? Because I know most stuff like that they will try and blur don't they? even live.. But I dunno, just curious.

[cp32]

Only so much you can catch with a delay lol

[markatisu]

Ha ha there is nothing they can do with crowd noise on a live feed. I did notice they increased the sound on Tazz mic when the chants came across of "You Suck Dick"

They probably did not catch the signs or the middle finger either but since it was not taped its harder when they pan the crowd, Smackdown gets filtered a lot because its pre-taped.

They should save money and just run every ECW TV show from the Hammerstein Ballroom, it will sell out every week and people will watch the show JUST to see what the crowd will do, I know 3 people who tuned in tonight that have not watched it since Week 1 just because the crowd was so hot.

What ironic is the Main Event will be remembered more for the ECW fans telling Vince to change the channel then anything that happened in the ring lol

[onlyemokid]

It was funny, because the big show flipped the crowd off once.. Thats funny haha

[MOTUfan]

A decent article by Wade Keller on Extreme Rules matches!!!!



Keller's Take
KELLER: Extreme Rules Matches - Why this is one good decision Vince McMahon made

By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Aug 3, 2006, 04:51


There have been a number of people upset with WWE labelling some ECW matches "Extreme Rules" matches and others regular rules matches. After all, ECW was built entirely around the no rules match format.

That was one of the changes WWE made that I think made sense. Bill Watts, when he became WCW V.P. a dozen plus years ago, pulled the mats up from ringside and banned moves off the top rope. He thought the padding looked too slick (and he argued that ankles could be hurt landing on the unstable surface) and he wanted a grittier look than the WWF at the time. That change was met with mostly a shrug by most fans. His no top rope rule, though, was decried as an example that he was living in the past. Top rope moves had become a huge part of wrestling. "Flyin'" Brian Pillman flying off the second rope just didn't feel right.

His rationale was that if it were illegal, then when it was done, it would seem special. But for it to be done, it would have to be when the ref wasn't looking, and that meant mostly heels had to be the cheaters who went to the top rope. But it was babyfaces who were known as high flyers, and he was taking away a major trait of the emerging cruiserweights. Watts's decision was a mistake for that time period. There were other ways for heels to cheat that didn't involve setting WCW's in-ring style back ten years.

WWE's decision to institute "Extreme Rules" matches only some of the time, under special circumstances, is not the same as Watts banning top rope moves. By banning weapons and enforcing ref five counts (cue Bryan Danielson) and ringside ten counts in some matches, it does make it feel more special when the rules are set aside. It also is sending a message to the core ECW wrestlers that they have to be able to have a good match without the crutch of swinging cookie sheets and chairs (so expect every Tommy Dreamer match to be "Extreme Rules").

Cactus Jack (photo by Wade Keller, PWTorch)
Last night, when MP3 encoding a 45 minute interview I conducted with Mick Foley back in 1992 on my KFAN radio show (it will be posted online for VIP members next week), I was reminded that Mick Foley - at least back then - agrees with the rationale of making "Extreme Rules" matches the exception, not the rule.

"When there are no rules in wrestling," he told me, "there's no thrill in breaking them."

He said it well. Several years into ECW's original run, I grew numb to Dreamer's cookie sheet shots and Balls Mahoney chairshots. It didn't feel like anyone was breaking any rules or rebelling against authority because the hapless ECW refs would stand there and watch it happen. Now, when those moves are legal in a match, it feels like recess did when you were a kid - a chance to let loose from the strict rules of the classroom indoors.

Vince McMahon has screwed up a lot about ECW since relaunching it earlier this summer, but this is one thing he got right. I know not all ECW fans agree, but if Vince is hoping ECW lasts a long time, it will pay off years from now when ECW faithful haven't become as numb as I did - and many others did - to the anything goes approach. As long as "Extreme Rules" matches don't become scarce, and there's at least one a week on TV in some form, ECW can stand out. Meanwhile, it gives heels something to complain and whine about when a match they are booked in is proclaimed "Extreme Rules."

[markatisu]

While I personally thing Extreme Rules is the dumbest concept in the last 10 years I can see his point.

HOWEVER, they need to do it better. What good is Extreme Rules as a stipulation if the NON-Extreme Rules matches always end up in a DQ??

That makes it no better then WCW's stupid *** only 1/2 enforced over the top rope DQ rule

I just find it ironic he argues to have the Extreme Rules to make it interesting and "special" but yet the Non-Extreme Rules matches end up in DQ because they do the things that are supposed to make the other matches special.

"It also is sending a message to the core ECW wrestlers that they have to be able to have a good match without the crutch of swinging cookie sheets and chairs"----I guess this is immune to Big Slow and all other top WWE talent (outside of Ric Flair) who cant seem to step in an ECW ring without having a run-in or some other saving grace keep them from getting pinned.

[MOTUfan]

You should write a reaction to his article and mail it to him. Often he posts them and offers his rebuttal. here is the e-mail:

wadekeller@pwtorch.com

Just put in the subject "Reax to Extreme Rules Matches - Why this is one good decision Vince McMahon made".

I bet you can easily get some great stuff out of him and bring up alot of valid points he isnt seeing as to what is wrong with the new ECW

[markatisu]

I did just that and elaborated a bit more

[MOTUfan]

Did you save a copy. Id love to read it heh.

Brent

[MOTUfan]

Whether purposely or accidentally, WWE is making ECW work. Instead of doing a silly invasion angle on Raw or Smackdown, WWE did the reverse...Basically, WWE 'invaded' ECW, by trying to shove a watered down version of ECW down our throats, and putting WWE wrestlers like Big Show and Test into the mix, then turning Heyman. This rallied ECW fans, who are now more passionate than ever about defending 'their' ECW. So then you've got the fans behind the 'real' ECW - Sandman, Dreamer, RVD - versus the 'sellouts'. This initial feuds keeps the brand going, until newer acts like Punk and The Reject settle in, while the 'difference' of ECW is established when the original ECW stars eventually prevail over the WWE imports. Frankly, I sense the genius of Heyman at work - he knew that there was no way that old-school ECW fans would buy the WWE version, so they booked it so that the WWE influence would be exaggerated initially, in order to build up anticipation for the ECW resurgence. Whatever it is, ECW is now the only wrestling show I make it a point to watch every week. I record Raw and Smackdown, I edit them and I store them on DVD, but I dont watch them anymore. I dont care for King Booker as World Champ or Rey vs Chavo over disrespecting Eddie still nor do I care for DX vs. The Mcmahons, Or any of that other crap on Smackdown or Raw, frankly I think in the 50 minutes of ECW we do get I think it is FAR more entertaining than all of Raw or Smackdown. And we could see the re=introduction of RVD this coming week. His 30 days are up on Saturday I think

Brent

[WEW3]

I think as far as Scifi and WWE goes WWECW is a success. The ratings are still stable and they have already planted the seeds for some new talent to get over. Everyone likes to assume that ECW would have been a ratings bonanza if it went back to the past, but without the crossover stuff who really knows? ECW gets to be the babyface and the corporate WWE gets to be the heels.

I think the King Booker as champ is probably just transition until Batista gets the belt back at Mania. I have to disagree with you about Raw. I really enjoyed the Foley/Flair confrontation this past Monday and the IC 3way was really good. I could have done without all the DX/McMahon stuff, but what do you expect.